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Thursday, April 28, 2011

DotA 6.72 AI (news and woes)

Well, 6.72 is out... by the first look GREAT changes gameplay-wise... but AI wise... half the heroes get broken... some of them become useless. Loads of work on porting and then fixing the AI heroes... and you can bet that the changes port will be a breeze compared to fixing the AI.
So.. the plan is-> 6.71b AI release first and then 6.72(x). But i`m not happy with the amount of work needed for 6.72 AI release. It wont happen soon too.

Also the new hero: Rubick... as i`m reading his skills, i think that i can make him an Invoker v2.0. In my mind some scenarios emmerge: you release a stun projectile to Rubick... he steals the stun and releases a stun to u just before he gets stunned... so u both are stunned at the same time... just he`ll get out of stun before you :) neat!
Posted by PBMN at 3:43 AM

37 comments:

  1. TALENTED_CLYDEApril 28, 2011 at 5:40 AM

    Wew , I guess you really need more workers, betatesters for the future , Sir.

    Invokers got a brother ehh . hehe
    Keep up the good work, Sir ! :D

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  2. yuezhuxueApril 28, 2011 at 9:45 AM

    加油啊，别太忙哦，注意健康

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  3. AnonymousApril 28, 2011 at 2:08 PM

    thanks for u work

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  4. JurgenApril 29, 2011 at 3:15 AM

    I have seen the changelog of DotA 6.72 and wow.. there's a lot, lot, lot changes...
    Especially for heroes, wow.. For example with Invoker and Phoenix. Lot changes have been made for some heroes to balance the game..

    Then it's only mean one thing, you must work harder than before to keep following this update.. No one want to play old style while the other have change their style.. Hehe..

    Good Luck for DotA 6,72 AI!! ^^

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  5. LordLuthorApril 29, 2011 at 5:43 AM

    Keep us informed

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  6. YongaumeApril 29, 2011 at 4:55 PM

    when will 6.71b ai released?
    cant wait for 6.72 ai ^^

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  7. VincentApril 30, 2011 at 8:38 AM

    UR INVOKER ROCKS LOL!

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  8. TimmyApril 30, 2011 at 7:25 PM

    seriously i hate new naga siren

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  9. YaroslavApril 30, 2011 at 11:34 PM

    Your work is valued in any case! Nice idea posting 6.71 first. There are a lot of people who support you and your work. Keep it up! Good luck!

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  10. UnknownMay 1, 2011 at 5:57 AM

    I think DotA 6.72, bara's impa.

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  11. JanoMay 2, 2011 at 3:07 PM

    well, I can't imagin how rubick´s AI will be, so good luck.

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  12. PBMNMay 4, 2011 at 4:48 AM

    When i`m done with my work, i`ll have to fix some bugs in 6.71b and release will come.

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  13. buzzpoperaMay 5, 2011 at 12:26 AM

    i think it would be better if u skip d 6.71b AI. coz we'r all waiting for 6.72b AI. so, mybe u could start working on d 6.72b AI instead of 6.71b AI...

    btw, d 6.70c AI is very satisfying...
    LOVE IT...
    xoxoxo

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  14. AlastorMay 7, 2011 at 8:21 AM

    Is there any sort of command list for this AI map? I've scoured the net (i.e. Google) and couldn't find anything intelligible. :/

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  15. WilkinMay 8, 2011 at 12:53 AM

    Perhaps you can make 6.71 ai with the following changes:
    a) Remove ring of regeneration from ai starting items. The regen hinders harassment and effect of nuke spells, something which is the norm in real games. Furthermore, I noticed that ai can buy more starting items with their available gold, like bracer + 3 branches + 2 pot.....
    b) Make ai go for heroes rather that creeps when appropriate. Some heroes still comtinue to hit creeps despite being hit by the enemy hero.
    c) As of now, ai can buy all their items from the fountain, including void stone etc. Make them visit the sideshops and secret shops instead.
    d) Improve the standard of all ai heroes. Currently for 6.70 ai, good job on invoker, viper, necro'lic, ursa, leoric etc.
    Thank you in anticipation.

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  16. eusthassMay 10, 2011 at 10:48 AM

    skip 6.71b, just sraight to 6.72b... cant wait it >,<

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  17. WilkinMay 11, 2011 at 1:09 AM

    Perhaps you can make 6.71 ai with the following changes:
    a) Remove ring of regeneration from ai starting items. The regen hinders harassment and effect of nuke spells, something which is the norm in real games. Furthermore, I noticed that ai can buy more starting items with their available gold, like bracer + 3 branches + 2 pot.....
    b) Make ai go for heroes rather that creeps when appropriate. Some heroes still comtinue to hit creeps despite being hit by the enemy hero.
    c) As of now, ai can buy all their items from the fountain, including void stone etc. Make them visit the sideshops and secret shops instead.
    d) Improve the standard of all ai heroes. Currently for 6.70 ai, good job on invoker, viper, necro'lic, ursa, leoric etc.
    Thank you in anticipation.

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  18. MMay 14, 2011 at 8:25 AM

    Damn it. I made a long post, but there was a technical problem on Blogger's end when I tried to post.

    Concise version:

    Alastor:

    Type in a blank message ("Enter" key, "Spacebar", "Enter" key again).

    Wilkin:

    I agree with all of your points, and I think (a) and (c) should not be hard to implement.

    Additional suggestions:

    1. Make AI defend properly (defend the side that is most in danger of losing rax instead of defending the side being attacked by one or no heroes and still has tower intact).

    2. Make AI item builds dependent on their teammates builds. It's a huge loss of gold when multiple AI teammates go for RoB/Vlad's, Mek, Shiva's, etc.

    Thanks for your work.

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  19. UnknownMay 15, 2011 at 10:16 AM

    well, i think you need some fixed about AI, some of them never use skill (clockwerk...) and always try to steal our kills by his skills ( VS used her stun to ks, beast master use stun to ks....). IN the new AI map one released, i think just invoker is working really good, so what's wrong with all tanker? they always get behind me although i'm queen of pain? just try to fix it please, please

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  20. blackR0GUEMay 19, 2011 at 7:52 AM

    hey PBMN !!!
    any news for the next map?
    i always visit ur blog and i need some update from you !!!

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  21. AbimanyuMay 20, 2011 at 6:25 AM

    Perhaps you can make 6.71 ai with the following changes:
    a) Remove ring of regeneration from ai starting items. The regen hinders harassment and effect of nuke spells, something which is the norm in real games. Furthermore, I noticed that ai can buy more starting items with their available gold, like bracer + 3 branches + 2 pot.....
    b) Make ai go for heroes rather that creeps when appropriate. Some heroes still comtinue to hit creeps despite being hit by the enemy hero.
    c) As of now, ai can buy all their items from the fountain, including void stone etc. Make them visit the sideshops and secret shops instead.
    d) Improve the standard of all ai heroes. Currently for 6.70 ai, good job on invoker, viper, necro'lic, ursa, leoric etc.
    Thank you in anticipation.
    ^_^
    myL

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  22. AbimanyuMay 20, 2011 at 5:51 PM

    Perhaps you can make 6.71 ai with the following changes:
    a) Remove ring of regeneration from ai starting items. The regen hinders harassment and effect of nuke spells, something which is the norm in real games. Furthermore, I noticed that ai can buy more starting items with their available gold, like bracer + 3 branches + 2 pot.....
    b) Make ai go for heroes rather that creeps when appropriate. Some heroes still comtinue to hit creeps despite being hit by the enemy hero.
    c) As of now, ai can buy all their items from the fountain, including void stone etc. Make them visit the sideshops and secret shops instead.
    d) Improve the standard of all ai heroes. Currently for 6.70 ai, good job on invoker, viper, necro'lic, ursa, leoric etc.
    i'm beg you!!

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  23. JingyuanMay 23, 2011 at 1:33 AM

    Or maybe a 6.72 ai (not b). Wanna steal stats from bots :D

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  24. RedEnMay 23, 2011 at 4:45 AM

    Agreed on "C"

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  25. RafaelMay 23, 2011 at 5:55 PM

    Well, I think, like most players are waiting for the 6.72 ai, I think it would be a good idea to skip the 6.71 to 72, because 71 will not be so different from the 70 there, and how much has changed in the heroes 72, you'd better work on it already.
    And you have the PBMN forecast will be released when the 72 there?
    If you have ever, post here for us, because I'm sure many are anxious for this map.
    Well done to all, note 10 for you.

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  26. DavidMay 27, 2011 at 6:17 AM

    Its been a month and no blog update... any news or further updates you can fill us in with pbmn?

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  27. diardo marendi kristaMay 31, 2011 at 4:28 AM

    PBMN is a GODLIKE!!!
    keep ur work bro... :D

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  28. adrianJune 7, 2011 at 8:23 PM

    The following suggestions are crap. don't change this.

    a) Remove ring of regeneration from ai starting items. The regen hinders harassment and effect of nuke spells, something which is the norm in real games. Furthermore, I noticed that ai can buy more starting items with their available gold, like bracer + 3 branches + 2 pot.....

    >>they are ai so they could not adopt to sudden change of circumstances so their starting items make for it.

    c) As of now, ai can buy all their items from the fountain, including void stone etc. Make them visit the sideshops and secret shops instead.
    >> so you want them to buy using crows?? Protects the ai from stupid ganks..

    d) Improve the standard of all ai heroes.

    >>duh, how many heroes are there?? if you make a good ai for all of them then it would take more than a year and by then, the ai would be absolutely obsolete

    Keep Rockin guys!! you ai ganking abilities have exceeded the standard set by Cloud_str.

    All hail PBMN team!!

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  29. NickJune 9, 2011 at 7:08 PM

    so by saying 6.71 and 6.72, u mean releasing it at the same time?

    Thanks for your effor PBMN and team :)

    i wonder where did Harrake(did i spell that correctly?) gone to?

    All the best.

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  30. UnknownJune 20, 2011 at 2:01 PM

    Greets PBMN! I'am a programmer and I'am imagine how difficult to implement AI, especially in a "game" like DotA, this is really hard to make a good AI. I like that map and I wish you all the good what I know ;) In addition to Wilkin's words (and others) I can say that - AI's sometimes use their TP scrolls incorrectly, they interrupt teleporting and then walk to fountain/destination point, I notice that used TP scroll returned to them when this appears. The second is a idea - may be more item-builds ? Dynamic builds (can change during the game) ?

    Anyway, You done great work, I hope your AI will be best in the near future. GL !

    PS : I notice that -ld mode dont work in the 6.70c version.

    // Waiting For -cm Mode

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  31. djherkJuly 24, 2011 at 8:35 PM

    cant wait to see rubics steal ability from me haha and no update pbmn... Y? :-(

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  32. djherkJuly 24, 2011 at 8:39 PM

    pls pls pls


    tell wen u gonna finish the 72ai


    ^_^

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  33. IjalJuly 25, 2011 at 3:31 AM

    hi PBNM i want ask you how to create AI like dota can't you give me EX:trigger in Ebook or EXample map
    this my email ijalijal9619@yahoo.co.id

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  34. LembidiJuly 26, 2011 at 1:47 AM

    Hi Thanks forr hard work!! Add AI for Io!! plaese!!

    Guradian wisp!! wkwk!! and add mode!! Rubick AI!! and full!! but it released on Rev2!! ok!! you must released not AI added to Rubick nows to faster!! ok!! the Rubick AI is addeds on rev 2!! ok!! they wait your!!

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  35. LembidiJuly 26, 2011 at 1:52 AM

    Greeting PBMN great!! Thanks!! so full AI fors me!! where i have a lot of moneys i will donate your for bigs amounth!! okay!! Good Job Man!! AI AI AI AI!! I need it to test and play and training my friend!! Plaese my friend needed to training!! add mode to easy very easy!! forr begginering!!

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  36. LembidiAugust 2, 2011 at 1:34 AM

    Do your can add AI for Io?? PLZZ!!

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  37. LembidiAugust 2, 2011 at 1:40 AM

    if your want faster, your must NOT ADDED AI FOR RUBICK!! SO YOUR ADDED AI FOR RUBICK IS LATER!! SO IT FASTER!!

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